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					<description><![CDATA[Thrilling Tales of Old Videogames is one of the better game-related blogs out there, and their new post on how freely the first Final Fantasy cribbed from Dungeons &#38; Dragons, and how that&#8217;s affected later games that have had to reckon with the changing legal landscape, is pretty darn interesting. One of the facts represented &#8230; <a href="https://setsideb.com/thrilling-tales-of-old-videogames-ff-vs-dd/" class="more-link">Continue reading<span class="screen-reader-text"> "Thrilling Tales of Old Videogames: FF vs D&#038;D"</span></a>]]></description>
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<p><a href="https://www.thrillingtalesofoldvideogames.com/">Thrilling Tales of Old Videogames</a> is one of the better game-related blogs out there, and <a href="https://www.thrillingtalesofoldvideogames.com/blog/final-fantasy-vs-dungeons-dragons">their new post on how freely the first Final Fantasy cribbed from Dungeons &amp; Dragons</a>, and how that&#8217;s affected later games that have had to reckon with the changing legal landscape, is pretty darn interesting.</p>



<p>One of the facts represented is that, while D&amp;D has always borrowed heavily from myth and literature for its beasties, Hasbro considers certain specific monsters to be their property, because they were created out of whole cloth, or at least heavily-obfuscated cloth. Obfuscated <em>enough</em> cloth. They link to <a href="https://www.prismaticwasteland.com/blog/no-one-owns-these-monsters">a post on the blog Prismatic Wasteland</a> that lists them all out with commentary: Beholder, Gauth, Carrion Crawler, Tanar&#8217;ri, Baatezu, Displacer Beast, Githyanki, Githzerai, Mindflayer and its alternate name Illithid, Umber Hulk and Yuan-Ti.  These are considered &#8220;product identity&#8221; monsters, and other products should not use them under penalty of lawsuit. &#8220;Tanar&#8217;ri&#8221; and &#8220;Baatezu&#8221; are hilarious as identity-monsters, because they were only named that so TSR could excise the words &#8220;devil&#8221; and &#8220;demon&#8221; from their game in deference to the 80s Satanic Panic.</p>



<p>I urge you to follow that link too, as it&#8217;s an informative read itself. I personally can add that a definition for a Beholder has been in the source code for Nethack since 3.2 (<a href="https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Beholder_(monster)">nethackwiki</a>), but is set to never be generated in the game, possibly waiting for an age where its actualization would be less legally fraught. (I&#8217;ve included the game info for Beholder at the end of this post.)</p>



<p>So let&#8217;s RTS (&#8220;<a href="http://www.6502.org/tutorials/6502opcodes.html#RTS"><strong>R</strong>e<strong>T</strong>urn from <strong>S</strong>ubroutine</a>&#8220;) and get back to today&#8217;s subject, the Thrilling Tales post. A lot of the monsters mentions got revisions in later Final Fantasy games, and even in remakes of FF1. Even in the NES version if Final Fantasy, the Beholder became the Evil Eye, which is a <em>legally-distinct</em> giant oculus-monster.</p>


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<figure class="aligncenter size-full is-resized"><img decoding="async" width="184" height="98" src="https://setsideb.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/beholder_evileye.png" alt="" class="wp-image-9355" style="width:392px;height:auto"/><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">FF1J&#8217;s Beholder, compared to the Evil Eye from one of the English ports. While it should be recognized that the Evil Eye here has much greater color depth, since it came from a remake, I think the design is generally better. The Beholder&#8217;s wide toothy smile isn&#8217;t as becoming for an alien eye-creature. (Images are from [ugh] the Fandom Final Fantasy wiki.)</figcaption></figure>
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<p>Rather than interrogate their whole post, I think you should just go read it yourself. Go, go! I&#8217;ll be here when you get back, just, tomorrow.</p>


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<figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" width="316" height="1024" src="https://setsideb.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/image-11-316x1024.png" alt="" class="wp-image-9352" srcset="https://setsideb.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/image-11-316x1024.png 316w, https://setsideb.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/image-11-93x300.png 93w, https://setsideb.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/image-11.png 538w" sizes="(max-width: 316px) 85vw, 316px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">nethackwiki&#8217;s sidebar for the Beholder, including <a href="https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_3.6.1/src/monst.c#line337">its source code reference</a></figcaption></figure>
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